Friday, November 01, 2013

Being Honest With Scripture

BEING HONEST WITH SCRIPTURE

When I was saved in 1975 I came with no doctrinal presuppositions at all. I had never heard of the rapture either by word or concept. I had never heard an argument over the loss of salvation. In fact I had never heard a discussion about salvation at all. So I was a blank slate. Slowly you read and learn and the Holy Spirit opens your eyes to many things. And then you begin attending a certain church, or in my case, I entered Bible college a year and a half after I was saved. And then you begin to learn doctrine, or another words, an interpretation of the Scriptures.

And usually you embrace first what you are exposed to first. And if you develop friendships and if you like the pastor you may be predisposed to receive what he and the church believe about the Scriptures. Very few people start an intense Scriptural study on their own because it is much more convenient to embrace what others say. And when a teacher has certain skills of persuasion he can present the Scriptures in such a way that his interpretation makes good sense. Let us be honest here, the Scriptures often lend themselves quite nicely to manipulation resulting in the doctrines and traditions of man rather than the unvarnished truth of Scripture.

And once you embrace a certain doctrinal stream you often come across that which is known as “problem Scriptures” which by definition mean that these verses seem to present a problem for your particular doctrinal slant. In fact all of our systematic theologies encounter problem verses. But when you are surrendered to your doctrinal brand you have to manipulate those problem verses using methods which you decry in others. What I mean is that you take those verses and force feed them into your doctrine even though they are square pegs in round holes. It happens throughout the evangelical community.

But there is another way to approach certain verses that openly confront your doctrinal way of thinking. You can admit that they do seem to clearly go against your neat little doctrine and you can admit you cannot really reconcile them. That would be honest and genuine. And it would also reveal a painful level of Scriptural integrity.

And in this post I will address what I believe is error in a doctrine which is espoused by true brethren in Christ. If you are reformed or lean Calvinistic, and if you get offended then you might skip the rest of this post. But the issue has always been whether sinful man has a free will or if God just employs His power onto a sinner and forces him to believe on Christ. It may not always be presented in those terms but that is basically what is being discussed. I do have many reformed friends and many of that doctrinal slant visit this blog. However I borrow what Paul said, “I am what I am by the grace of God.”

There has always been a discussion about eternal security and in that vein I used to manipulate Hebrews chapters 6 and 10, but I came to the place where I could not honestly hold to that view when juxtaposed with those Scriptures. But I want to deal with the subject of the free will of man. I read a comment a couple of days ago where a reformed person said we must rejoice even when people are sent to hell since that was always God’s will. And of course that brings into question the five major points of Calvinism.

Matt.23: 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

This portion of Scripture is also recorded in Luke as well. It gives a looking glass into the heart of God our Savior. First Jesus says that He desired to gather the Jews unto Himself. This confirms the Scriptures which declares that God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to salvation. That flies directly in the face of reformed theology which teaches that God only desires an extremely small number of sinners to be saved. But from the lips of Christ He also states that even though He wanted to gather them unto Himself, they would not. Now in reformed theology man has no plausible deniability when he is called by the Spirit. Calvinism teaches that when God draws you to Himself by the Spirit you have no choice in the matter. You in fact cannot say no because God’s salvation calling is irresistible.

But again, that flies in the face of this portion of Scripture. Reformed theology must take the word “world” in:

Jn.3: 16 – For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believs in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

And change it to mean that same extremely small number of sinners. In fact, Calvinism teaches that God hates all sinners that He has not hand picked for salvation. But when Jesus says He desired to gather the Jews like a hen gathers her brood, is He suggesting a hen does not love those chicks? Of course not. This is what I mean about coming to certain verses, finding them doctrinally troublesome, reading any number of teachers who espouse your doctrinal slant, and adopting one of their tortured explanations.

This does mean that Calvinists are bad people, but it does clearly reveal a doctrinal bias to which a number of Scriptures must bow even when they are incongruent with their brand of theology. That is being dishonest with the Scriptures. We all have done that. But the Scriptures were not written to the ecclesiastical elite. Just because you may have Greek and Hebrews credentials does not in any way make you a more pure follower of Christ. Sometimes those kind of credentials can stand in the way of simply embracing what the Scriptures plainly teach.

Have you found “problem verses” in the Scriptures which seem to conflict with your doctrinal settled law? All of us are confronted with this phenomenon from time to time. Are you honest enough to address it? If so, at the very least admit it without changing the Scriptures to say what you want them to say and alleviate any doctrinal tension. And at the very most submit yourself to the teaching of the Spirit, and if you have held onto your own doctrinal agenda at the expense of God’s Word then repent. Believe me it will set you free.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

This is good. So true. I need this.

Amen.

Trying to be honest with oneself is a challenge. I try to question my motives now, before I read the bible. I have to put away all my old prejudices, and get people's voices out of my heart before reading. It has to be fresh, as though I'm reading it for the first time.

It's truly amazing that our Father in heaven keeps loving us when we err in every way every day. One thing I believe He knew predestination-wise, is that His Word would sometimes confound the wise. He knew we would all make our own interpretation and become too self-assured. Maybe this is why some scripture is left to be "problem scriptures". It keeps us on our toes and continually searching and it sometimes weeds out the ulterior motives of our hearts.

When I read Revelation, it's hard to understand. I wonder why we are to stay in this fog about it, because it brings out every different opinion. Maybe the Lord wants us to individually look at it with the eyes He gave us individually, and not in groups.

One thing I know. It's that we are all on different levels of our walk. God said that He was "merciful to the merciful" and "pure to the pure" in the OT, (sorry, I need to find that verse), but it tells me that He decides how to deal with each one of us individually, based on our character or lack of it.

If we start studying the bible and have unforgiveness, we'll enjoy reading the verses of God's revenge. If we are abused or used, we'll go to scripture to find solace and God's promise of peace and His kindness. If someone lacks humility and berates other christians, they'll probably not like scripture about God's forgiveness to others. It's all about Him being pure and holy and perfect and His Word living waters, and us, being carnal, approaching the Word falsely, finding justification for ourselves. I've been there, done that.

J.

Anonymous said...

I found the verse that I was missing from my early post. It's Psalm 18:25-26.

It says, "With the merciful You will show Yourself merciful; With a blameless man, You will show Yourself blameless; With the pure, You will show Yourself pure; And with the devious You will show Yourself shrewd". In 27: "For you save the humble people, but will bring down haughty looks". (New King James Version).

I'm learning about Calvinism here. I had never known the extent of some of it's teaching. The predestination theory where some must rejoice when people are sent to hell and being God's will is beyond comprehension to me. I never heard of such a thing. I always believed we had choice. Isn't that what the Lord gave Adam and Eve? And if God Himself chose His only Son Jesus to die for our sins, then why would some be predetermined not to be saved?

Wouldn't this type of thinking soften believers to think some people aren't worth praying for? They would have them counted as lost before they ever had a chance. That type of thinking to me, turns people into pharisees, becoming judges of who and who should not be saved. I don't get it.

We know that God sees the beginning and end of His plan and if He knows who eventually will be His or not. But, that is His right to do so. It's not to us to bring this point up and get cocky and be glad when men don't answer His call and turn Him away. We are to rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. I don't get it.

J.









michael said...

I have never formally studied John Calvin's Institutes or much of his doctrines.

I've looked at the history of the Calvin/Arminian tension and how the remonstrants' five points produced the Calvinists' response "TULIP". I do hold to the doctrines of Grace and the five Solas as I see these things clearly in Scripture.

You mentioned Hebrews 6. I want to respond to one aspect of the chapter, verse 3. Verse 3 is one verse I use when a person makes a strong assertion of another's faithfulness. Also I focus on Romans 12:1 & ..., along with 1 Peter 2:1 & ... . Finally I go to John 21 and point to how Jesus at 33.5 years old obviously alive from the dead calls out to much older men "children" inviting to breakfast and try to reason with them who are holding such strong opinions about others' faithfulness that it's unwise to make strong assertions about their eternal destiny.

I then generally if there is an opening go to the "test". The test for me is whether or not you're saved and is found at Romans 10 where it is succinctly written that if you confess The Lord Jesus and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead "you shall be saved". The scripture is succinctly clear that no one knows that Jesus is the Christ until after the Heavenly Father reveals that truth to them.

Then if I've gotten your attention I'll go next to Philippians 3:20-21 to point out the power that Jesus has to transform my lowly body to be like His glorious Body! If there is still an openness and teachable spirit I then focus on the "promise" God the Father makes "Himself" with us, Peter writes in chapter 5 of 1st Peter, where He, the "Father" not the Son, promises to restore, confirm, strengthen and establish us! I just can't see why anyone who has already been born again by the sanctification power of the Holy Spirit would reject that offer promised by the Father in Heaven Himself to do all this for us seeing when we die we died into a restored, confirmed, strengthened and established reality of godliness and holiness of truth or die in our sins and perish! Why would anyone want to die in their sins and not be forgiven, transformed and restored, confirmed, strengthened and established into Eternal Life? It makes no sense to me why anyone who has been born again to this Living Hope would want to perish afterwards???

Does it make any sense to you?

Anonymous said...

Matthew 7:11
11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!

The biggest challenge we face is to agree with what the Lord Jesus teaches! The ongoing pure presence of the LORD is the greatest gift that He can give us. Let's praise our unique God for setting us free from Satan, for the God of the Bible is a mighty Savior!

Annette said...

Greetings Pastor Rick,

What a beautifully painful post, if you may permit me to use an oxymoron in the first sentence. Words certainly can take that broken mirror and draw it inward until it cuts at the heart, making one vulnerable to that
unadulterated honesty you speak of here. We thank-You Holy Spirit for your continuous Revelations through Your Word.

"Just because you may have Greek or Hebrew credentials does not in any way make you a more pure follower of Jesus Christ. Sometimes those kinds of credentials can stand in the way of simply embracing waht the Scriptures plainly teach." Quote: Pastor Rick Frueh

Admittingly, I read this post yesterday having to leave for fear of drowning the computer keyboard with tears. There are times when our Father's love is so overwhelming that one cannot help but weep with joy.

Mr. Frueh, the key word that brought such joy to my day was the word "simply."

It reminded me of those wonderful Scriptures found in 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, "But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted--you may well put up with it!"

Focusing on the words "simplicity" and "simply" brought me back to the day I knew I needed a Savior for the remission of my sins, for I was left hopeless inside wearing the log chains of life around my being...those dirty, greasy, dingy chains we wear on the outside of the cup; with the weight so intense at times that it crushes the fine porcelainware.

Remembering and pondering the simple childlike faith in our LORD Jesus Christ when first saved and the love that saturated the heart, oh, how great and how wonderful...

"Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. And walk in love, as Christ also loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." Ephesians 5:1-2

Cherie c. said...

a must see for all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL5kZzA0yys

Dave Hunt - What Love Is This-Calvinism Misrepresentation of God's Character

John Calvin was a follower of Augustine. Yes the Catholic Augustine. The only difference was the pope issue. Calvin and Luther were also involved in the persecution of Christians that didst believe.

A must see if Pastor will post the video. Eye opening and sad to say the least.

your sister in Christ Jesus,
Cherie c.

Shannon said...

Thank you Cherie, for posting the link to Dave Hunt's What Love is this? - Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God's Character.

It is a great help for necessary Biblical understanding and proper definition of the word "predestination".

Shannon

Shannon said...

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Ephesians 1:11,12 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
The “Calvinists” use these verses to say God “predestinates” people...That's true. But, to be saved? No, that's not true. None of the uses of the term “predestinate” is associated with salvation. None.
In Romans 8:28,29 God works all things together for the good to those that love Him and are called according to His purpose. Those are believers. For those believers, He “foreknew” and He “predestined” them to be conformed to the image of His Son.

Cherie c. said...

Hey Shannon, how are you?

Shannon said...

Hi Cherie,
I'm thankful to read the discussions of those who are struggling with verses that many use out of context to imply that God chooses some to be saved and others not, also to say that the Church is Israel.
The Church, the Body of Christ, is not Israel. The Church, the Body of Christ, became a new creation by God at Pentecost as recorded in Acts chapter 2. The Church, the Body of Christ, is made up of both believing Jews and believing Gentiles as stated in Galatians 3:25-28. Israel and the Church are two separate entities.

Working on transcribing a series of studies regarding and entitled Arminianism vs. Calvinism and the Five Points of Misunderstanding as well as a study of Replacement Theology that is based upon false allegorizing of the interpretation of Scripture.

I am well, Cherie, and thanks for asking.
Shannon