Friday, February 15, 2013

Pastor Hagee says Keep Your Children Unsaved


It has become quite the phenomenon in America to hold meetings among evangelicals in which they herald their support of the nation of Israel and the Jewish people without reservation. These events can be adorned with all kinds of Hebrew signs including stars of David and the Israeli flag. And another aspect of some of them is the invitation extended to unbelieving Jews who may or may not be Israeli citizens but who are ardent supporters of the nation of Israel.

And sometimes these unbelievers are invited to speak to the crowd and they receive a warm reception regardless of their spiritual views and commitments. Everyone has a great time and all kinds of books and artifacts are sold. And usually a list of prominent evangelical preachers are called upon to address the crowd with messages which center upon the nation of Israel. I do not recall hearing about lost souls regardless of their ethnicity. And when professing Christians gather and purposely avoid preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, then that meeting is not Christian at all. What a colossal paradox that evangelicals who loudly and confrontationally support Israel and the Jews, and yet deny them the gospel. In effect, those who are vociferous in their support and loyalty to the Jews have spiritually abandoned them at the point of their greatest need.

And I have never heard of any compassion for the plight of some Palestinians to say nothing of concern for their spiritual condition. It’s as if professing believers can compartmentalize their lives and their beliefs. They seem to be able to play scramble the earthly countries and issues without interjecting the issue of redemption. It is quite astonishing and completely out of touch with Biblical reality. In fact, just a cursory review of the Book of Acts should give us a glimpse into the driving force of the earliest believers.

One of the “evangelical” leaders of this movement is Pastor John Hagee of San Antonio, Texas. He has a following of millions and he has changed the attitudes and beliefs of many believers. And at one of his pro-Israel rallies he was confronted by some non-believing Jews who were concerned that Christians would draw Jews into these rallies and convert them. They were unaware that Hagee believes that orthodox Jews can be saved without Jesus. However this is a small excerpt from this source.

Hagee, a major Daystar supporter and on-air personality, has consistently affirmed that he will not proselytize Jews, although the network's lineup also includes "messianic" Jews with long pro-conversion records.
When Rabbi Bentzion Kravitz, head of the anti-cult Jews for Judaism, raised this issue with Hagee at the Los Angeles meeting, the pastor did not respond directly, but his genial Southern folksiness took on a harder edge.
"If rabbis would put more emphasis on putting Jewish kids into Jewish schools, young Jews would never want to become Christians," Hagee said.

How much of a denial of Christ and His Great Commission does one have to make before he can no longer be considered a Christian preacher? I suggest that we have long since passed that point.


Lorena said...

Just what the man says should set off alarm bells. But it seems so many evangelicals actually listen to him and then agree with the absurd things he speaks. Best that everyone keep away from him, although that won't likely happen.

You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

I Never Knew You

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Matthew 7. NKJV

michael said...

Having been to Israel and seeing no real measurable differences between that nation and the other 20 plus nations I have been to one wonders if there really is going to be no remedy as these verses indicate?

2Ch 36:14 All the officers of the priests and the people likewise were exceedingly unfaithful, following all the abominations of the nations. And they polluted the house of the LORD that he had made holy in Jerusalem.
2Ch 36:15 The LORD, the God of their fathers, sent persistently to them by his messengers, because he had compassion on his people and on his dwelling place.
2Ch 36:16 But they kept mocking the messengers of God, despising his words and scoffing at his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD rose against his people, until there was no remedy.

For me I am settled on these facts of Truth told by Truth Himself nevertheless:

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.
Mat 24:12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.
Mat 24:13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.


Mat 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.
Mat 24:22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

Anonymous said...

I remember buying a few John Hagee books years ago. I was in that number of excitement over the possible prophetic scenarios that would take place, where God would keep His promises to Israel; yet when I kept hearing christians talk about a nation (modern Israel) as just, righteous, all those descriptions that were reserved for ancient under-the-law Israel ONLY when they obeyed God to the letter, or when they repented, I couldn't accept it, because my New Testament taught also that God is no respecter of persons; and I read where no man could be saved but by the true Messiah, Jesus. I knew everyone had to be covered by the blood of Jesus in order to be a child of our father in heaven.

I still am confused as to how God's plan redeems the nation of Israel versus the children of Israel. I believe the "nation" is more interesting to ministries in the U.S., particularly because the church in the U.S. has been deceived. They are rubbing their hands together believing that if they involve themselves in God's prophetic timetable regarding the "nation" of Israel, they'll get a cut in the profits. I'm sorry to sound so cynical, but when I read christian sites condemning nations surrounding Israel and caring not one bit for blood-bought Palestinions, and surrounding people, yet rah-rah'ing for every military Israeli triumph, I sense this is a very sinful attitude.

And I was caught up in that attitude years ago, until I did my own scripture reading and saw the folly in how the American church has gone off the rails in this crusade. If they are of Christ, their motives are only that all MidEasterners are saved. But, if they have an ulterior agenda, they'll rub shoulders with the world elite who have an earthly investment in protecting Israel.

Anonymous said...

As I write this, it's about 10 minutes until that asteroid passes by earth, and I am so thankful that the Lord has everything under His control. He is in charge of where every piece of space junk goes, or every aspect of His creation on where it directly hits. And He is merciful to those, like in Russia, when comets hit and spare lives, for He doesn't wish that any should perish (eternally).

Just thought I'd add that in light of feeling a sense that the world is now at the mercy of Him who has a perfect plan.

It's sad that Hagee feel this way. Putting the Old Law in front of the New Law (Jesus who came to fulfill the Old Law) is anathema. Where does he get away with this. We can ask, why are there no other pastors rebuking these things and bringing this false to light? All I can come up with are that any ministries who become wealthy and popular and entangled in this world are at great risk of becoming false leaders. Where there is lots of money, there's no doubt lots of deception.

Those who are rich and powerful follow others who are rich and powerful, so they ally themselves together and scratch each other's backs until they all reach the great power halls of the world. And there's only one int he world who will demand their allegiance.

Cherie c. said...

I cannot stomach this. As Jimmy DeYoung once said about this very topic, " A lie straight from the pit of hell."
And I couldn't agree more.

We must pray for the Jewish people. Notice I said people.

I guess Hagee forgot:

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

your sister in Christ Jesus,
Cherie c.

michael said...

Anon 2:14 pm

I want to respond to something you said there hopefully to make the distinction?

Remember Abraham was given His Faith just like all God's Elect. And I ask when did that happen, before or after the Law was given? Of course we know it was before not after. So the key to understanding is in these words:

"Now the Lord said to Abram, Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed. "(Genesis 12:1-3 ESV)

First, notice this "blessing" reaches to "all" the families of the earth not to just small ethnic group?

Second, anyone who "dishonors" anyone who walks by His Faith will be cursed!


It is His Faith/Jesus' that overcomes the world. And notice that Faith doesn't change our Adamic nature. And Faith works regardless of the Law given through Moses to bring forth the blessing (see Genesis 24 and the Faith at work in Abraham's servant). The Law is a schoolmaster that those with His Faith will bring them to Christ and be numbered as one God has blessed regardless of national or ethnical circumstances for good or ill.

Anonymous said...

Hi Michael, Anon. 2:14 - thank you for responding. I admit I don't have an understanding of the role of Israel and Jews versus the Church and christians that God has for the last days. I get so confused with the dispensation of Adam, the dispensation of Abraham, then Moses with the Law, then what God's covenant with Israel plays in the last days.

I know I need more understanding in this topic. But there's been an explosion of evangelical churches that shows governmental/military support for Israel. I ask myself how Israel's neighbors think about this; it's not right for us, the Church, to interfere in these affairs; and it grieves me. What about Lebanese people, Egyptians, Jordanians, Palestinians, etc.? Like every place, there are kind, peace-loving people there. If my church always prays for Jewish people only, it gives the impression that they only support the protection, safety of Israel; it places us, the church, as judges of the earth. It says we prefer one group over another. I can't accept that.

Our God deeply cares for all men, and Israel's neighbors and knows that wicked governments do not care about people, but only gaining power. What born-again child of God would want their government to discuss attacking Iran because it might be a threat to Israel? This is horrible. We are supposed to love all men, and Iranians;

The church is creating this image of an aggressive war machine protecting oil resources when it demands it's government to support the complex historic battles with Israel and her enemies. What kind of Christ-like witness is this?

Anonymous said...

OOpers. Anon 5:21 - here.

I kind of didn't finish my post. I meant to say, to Michael, that it's true what he points out that there are those 'blessing' verses, and they may relate to the church too. I need to study this further. And I just love escatology.

I guess at the very least, we know that we can pray.

Love you all!!

pjmiller said...

anon you wrote:

" What about Lebanese people, Egyptians, Jordanians, Palestinians, etc.? "

And I say, exactly! Hagee, and many other evangelical leaders included, have been taking groups to Israel on Israeli government sponsored tours for years. Hagee himself goes as many times as 3-4 times a year.

Its also common knowledge that not ONE time has he or members of his tour groups visited Palestinian believers. From what I've been told he and his tour groups do not even go into any area inside Israel where Jewish believers live.

It's as though these brothers and sister in Christ (Arab and Jewish) don't exist as far as Hagee is concerned.

Anonymous said...

Hear Hear! @ pj miller

John Hagee = absolute rubbish :/

Cherie c. said...

Can I ask why everyone is surprised at this?

Cherie c.

Anonymous said...

Was he snapping his little fat fingers as he said this?

Ashley said...

I went in 2011 to Hagee's "A Night to Honor Israel." Of course the food and carnival was fun, but I had issues the first night when Jesse DuPlantis was speaking all his rubbish about how he needs a private jet for ministry and that if you don't believe that God wants to prosper you then you won't get into heaven because you will reject the riches up there becuase it will be too overwhelming...WHAT?!! Anyway, the main night, Glen Beck spoke and the place was PACKED! They honored all the Jews, sang Jewish songs, etc, but when they prayed, the main distinction was that his son omitted "In Jesus name." I was greatly disturbed by that and added it myself. I should have walked out right away but I was still involved in a word of faith cult so even though I didn't agree with all these things, I still wasn't ready to make my stand. Anyway, I fugured, if we were going to be respectful, then why wouldn't it be too much, when coming to a supposedly Christian church, to return the respect in our prayers in Jesus' name? Not to mention the "throne" that Hagee sits on. Wolves are everywhere!

Rick Frueh said...

Thank you Ashley for that testimony.

Cherie c. said...

May God Bless and Keep you Close to Jesus as you come out of the apostate church Ashley. If you ever need someone to talk to, I am here for you dear sister as well as other Godly brothers and sisters hear at this blog.

your sister in Christ Jesus,
Cherie c.

Kim said...

This man has made the hair on my e ck stand on end from the first moment I heard him preach. Thanks nbe to the holy spirit for his protection!