This is why democracy has never been a divine form of government even though millions of professing believers still cherish it and bow before it.
"But democracy is the best we have", many believers say. Is that the way of Jesus - the best man can offer? That's some great theology there.
"That's some great theology there."
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(yes, I know you were being facetious)
Prayer and fasting so needs to be a part of our life.
Matthew 17:21
Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
So true and sad.
ReplyDeleteIf a majority rules to accept anything unbiblical, and an ambitious lawmaker writes it into law, there's no telling what other unbiblical things that a nation will agree to tolerate.
It's so sad that there are quite a few young women who would choose a late-term abortion. And the religious pro-life people jump on the lawmakers, as though they are the great perpetrators of godly disobedience. But the lawmakers are usually narcissistic ambitious compromising people who would make any promise and what's so disturbing is why would the church even put their trust in them?
Isn't reaching couples and women who have no conscience about abortion where the church should start it's work?
Another thought I had as well. The laws are so hypocritical with the unborn. For instance, in Florida, we hear in the news, because of the George Zimmerman newest case, that if there were domestic violence in a home and a pregnant woman was threatened or battered or in any danger, that it could increase the charges against the violent partner. So, an unborn child gives the mother extra protection for her rights, but an unborn child has no rights if the mother decides to abort it. Is this crazy reasoning?
It's the same as the Petersen murder. In CA, the laws are that if a woman and her unborn child are murdered, the killer received a double charge of murder. But, if a mother wants to personally get rid of her unborn child, she can find a state to have an abortion in.
There are so many double standards and every government has them, and it sucks up so much energy from so many, but the bottom line is that if a woman independently seeks an abortion, she'll probably unfortunately find a doctor somewhere who will do it. The shocking thing to me is not that secular governments support that decision, but that a female has no maternal instincts or conscience or loving christian co-workers or friends or family or christian community around that could introduce her to Jesus. That's the saddest thing.
J.
If someone is willing to abort their healthy baby they are a long way away from being interested to explore for the true Jesus.
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ReplyDeleteThe Hegelian Dialectic (aka "herd mentality") process is very popular in this world. The same spirit is at work in the church of professing believers. This is why there are the various denominations, systems of theologies and doctrines to pick and choose from. It's like Heinz 57...a little of this, a little from that, etc etc and we have the form of religion we want. We label it "Christianity" even.
They claim to be following Jesus but this is a different Jesus, as Paul warned of there being many, Galatians 1:6,9.
When one is born again of His Spirit, we, as one of His sheep, follow the True Shepherd, Whom John describes in Chapter 10. This world is no longer our home and the operations of it are no longer our interest or drive to be involved with.
J said:
"Isn't reaching couples and women who have no conscience about abortion where the church should start it's work?"
The church is for believers who have received His Spirit. The teachings are for the equipping of the saints. Man is suppressing truth as they love darkness more than the Light. Now, what do we do for a person who is rejecting His Spirit? Are the abortionists asking believers for the hope that is within us? No! They figure if they just get/give an abortion this rids them of the problem. But they still have the sin issue to be dealt with.
In Matthew chapter 24 it explains all this that is going on today. Especially verse 12, “And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.”
ReplyDeleteI read some of the comments at the bottom of the article. One in particular grabbed my attention a woman with the moniker Ih8YourH8 (I Hate Your Hate). Her comment was that she would continue doing whatever she pleased and get an abortion if she were to get pregnant. But it is that name that explains a lot about what she thinks of those that call themselves Christian, that the Christians are a bunch of hateful people. I can certainly see where she is coming from. I have never been to a protest of any kind, at any time. I do not believe that is how you get your beliefs recognized. I like Mark 9:29 “So He said to them, "This kind can come out by nothing but prayer and fasting.”
We cannot change the heart of man that is the work of the Holy Spirit. We are to be witnesses not protestors.
Joel
We who are born again have been called out from the world system and are now are citizens of heaven. There is a departure of the faith, the very persuasion of God. They are those who are rejecting conviction of His Spirit. One who has His Spirit has His faith as it is a fruit of His Spirit. People of the world are loving this present world system. They are focused on health care, the politics of the world system and the material things in life. They are attempting to cover up their sins with their own fig leaves and self-righteousness. They are not bearing fruit of God because they are not children born from out of God. We do have freedom of religion in America, in which you can worship any god however you want, but that is not Christianity. People are very giving in America, but who does the recipient praise when they are fed with physical food or material things?
ReplyDeleteMost professing believers think it is our job to fix the world system and yet we are called from out of the world system to be transformed by the renewing of our minds as our thoughts are to be changed according to His ways and His thoughts.
As many talk shows advocate helping one get rid of their substance abuse by the fixing up of their flesh, we have the world dressing up the sin nature and putting a leaf on it and giving them a pat on the back and yet they're still on the broad road to destruction.
The world will love its own and parade itself in their own self made accomplishments. Look what I have achieved in my name, as I am somebody...
A born again believer has His agape love within them and is concerned of the spiritual welfare of others.
Yes Anonymous, agree with you.
The baby may be the resulting consequence of sinful activity. To abort the baby is going the way of the flesh...much like covering with a fig leaf.
They would rather hide under the cover of darkness rather than come to the Light, John 3:19.
Those responding to the conviction of sin are those coming to the Light for salvation through Jesus Christ. Most do not want True Hope and relief which is to be found only in Him.
Being raised with horses all my childhood having to feed and water them daily and clean up after them us cowboy Indians have a very foul saying that's unchristian like of me to say in this Christian blog comment! Democracy? What?? There's no democracy of majority votes by the States! Recall with me the confusion the overturning of the clear and unequivocal majority vote of the people of the state of California by one man, the Judge that declared our will, the majority of the people who voted to settle the argument of marriage being between one man and one woman!
ReplyDeleteDemocracy you say? If there is one it ain't adding up as defined by logic and reason or by the definition in a dictionary!
Anon.11:24
ReplyDeleteI know there'll always be those women who would abort healthy babies and they have absolutely no conviction or conscience. I know we are living in the world and the love of many waxes cold. But, sometimes, if they are in that valley of decision, and a believer is put in their path, they could be Holy Spirit convicted and suddenly have a stony heart replaced with a new heart by the power of God. It's happened before. I don't think we give the power of that Great Name and our Savior Jesus the credit He deserves.
I believe anyone can suddenly be pricked in their conscience when introduced to Jesus. A woman on her way to an abortion clinic could suddenly be prompted and convicted by the Holy Spirit and stop in her tracks, because her praying grandmother is on her knees at that moment.
The church wasn't as publicly vocal, nor politically pro-active when promiscuity, drugs, couples living together, excessive divorce, entertainment, porn, liberalism, feminism, selfishness and the me-generation took over. Today, we see the reaping of those effects on our secular world. It's not surprising that some young women have lost all semblance of nurturing and respect for their unborn child. I guess this proves the point what the bible says, we are all sinners, living in a world of sin and no government can 'convict' a heart. It can possibly prevent killing for a season, but it can never convict a heart. Only Jesus can.
J.
Michael - Even if there was a clear democracy it still would be antichrist. God never intended an amalgam of believers and unbelievers to govern His children. We are not of this world.
ReplyDeleteRick, right, thanks for the polish! I vote as a citizen of the county I live in in Northern California. I vote my Christian conscience in county elections and state as well as on state's rights and of course I vote in national elections, too.
ReplyDeleteMy point was, I hoped, to be clear and obvious that a democratic vote, as in majority votes cast can be overturned by just one judge and then upheld by other judiciary as was the case with proposition 8 in California.
Having been to many countries and lived in a few of them long enough to get a feel for how people are governed outside the United States I wanted to elevate the reality of this Federal Republic form of government, which by the way, as we found out, the President is not voted into the office by a majority vote of the people for whom his office serves! The Bush presidency, 43, is a clear case in point. He garnered the majority of electoral votes only.
As Christians we have liberty to engage in the form of government we find ourselves living under. The majority of Christians worldwide live outside the United States so my comments would not apply to them.
And absolutely, as your comment reflects, all Christians under whatever worldly government should heed the clear and unequivocal instruction to:
2 And he called out with a mighty voice, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place for demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast.
3 For all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living."
4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;
5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
6 Pay her back as she herself has paid back others, and repay her double for her deeds; mix a double portion for her in the cup she mixed.
Michael - I refer you to my current post. :)
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ReplyDelete"Isn't reaching couples and women who have no conscience about abortion where the church should start it's work? "
Not all women have no conscience about abortion. I know, I was one of them. The problem is most often, the issue with conscience has to do with the person the baby was made with, not the baby being aborted. Misguided, misdirected, and very deceived is usually what is happening to the person making the decision to kill an unborn baby. And an unregenerate heart. Earthly love is not what we think and it can compromise our faith in God.
Christian friends used to tell me that continuation of feeling remorse for what I did was the devil throwing sin in my face because I have been redeemed. I used to believe that, but no longer do. If I do not regret the sins I have committed, how then do I not sin again? I know I am forgiven; I hope I have been forgiven, but cannot forget what I have done.
1 John 1:8
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
I am not ashamed of the Gospel. So I do not fear telling you this.
your sister in Christ Jesus,
Cherie c.
ReplyDeleteWas I interested in praising the atoning sacrifice of Lord Jesus before the Lord God started drawing me to my savior?
Dear readers, believers are to seek and save the lost. We are not members of an elitest society who snub their nose at people and the needs they have just because they are somewhat deluded.
Let's remember that God Himself has rescued us from many of our own delusions which in many cases were more glaring than those of the women who allow their healthy babies to be aborted
As Jackie says we must still go into bat for them. We must endeavor to love these errant women.
We must endeavor to show them the pure love of Christ. We musn't give upon them.
What Jackie writes is very wise. We must remind ourselves how infinitely powerful and full of wondrous love our creator is. He is God with us: let's be good and faithful believers with Him!
James
J, James,
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying we should not seek to preach the Gospel to the lost. The point I was making is saying they have no conscience is not always the case. We can't know until we ask, if we even bother to ask.
Unsaved people can have a conscience about doing the wrong thing. By saying that depicts an attitude that might be projected when we do take the time to speak to them about the Lord.
Abortion is not better or worse than any other sin. In fact, abortion here in America was propagated by a woman who was racist. So you see hate begets murder. It is now all done under the guise of women's right.
A woman has no "right" to decide over life or death in the pretense of having a say over her body. That is just nonsense. Just like a man has no "right" to take a life for any reason. Murder is murder.
Feminism is an unspeakable evil. And we thought satan only deceived Eve. My mother was a working woman who instilled in her daughters a sense of self preservation. Not because of her upbringing, but because she married a man who didn't always provide for his family and didn't want us to go hungry in the event we married someone like him. She did not believe in abortion or women's rights. There is a difference. Women have abandoned what God has ordained them to be. We have listened to fables and to smooth talkers using sentimentality and the ability to speak to our flesh to get us to compromise our faith. Ignoring it even. By using the "victim" premise to lure women to seek after that which is not of God works because? We are the weaker vessel. That is not a put down, but a fact.
A college degree, an intelligent mind does not make anyone, male or female, better than what the Word of God states. A sinner in need of a Savior. Without the college degree, still the same thing, in need of a Savior. In fact, I am absolutely sure between the apostate church we used to go to, and the educational system of so called higher learning, my older son renounced his Savior.
So because he is not partaking in other sinful behaviors, that I know of, or doing drugs, or stealing, his denial of Jesus Christ is more than enough to send him to hell.
So whether its abortion, or denial of Christ, or any other premise, we are all in need of a Savior and He has come, and will come again.
We need to preach the Gospel to the lost. We need to live a life acceptable to Christ to be an example. Nations don't agree to anything. It is a matter of the blind leading the blind and allowing satan to rule a person's life. Either your Father is from Heaven, or he is the father of lies. It is still a choice, isn't it Pastor Rick?
your sister in Christ Jesus,
Cherie c.
ReplyDeleteThat is exactly right, Cherie. Man has to choose between our heavenly Father and Satan, the father of lies.
Are women spiritually weaker than men? Is a woman who has been born again spiritually weaker than a man who is unsaved? The very opposite is true.
I know many women who run rings around men! Our spiritual strength depends on the degree the LORD has blessed us!
Blessings
James